2 Widowers senior dating list

On Life and Love after 50 eNewsletter
 June 23, 2023
Two widowers share their thoughts 
By Columnist Tom Blake 

A widower after 47 years of marriage and a Champ, Jim loves animals, which is why he owns 3 horses and a dog. He lives in Southern Orange County CA
Champ Tom and Widower Jim after breakfast at R.J.’s restaurant near Dana Point Harbor on June 21, 2023, talked about their senior dating challenges.
 Two widowers share their wants It’s been a while still since my widower buddy Jim, 74, and I got together to update our thoughts on what we’ve learned from senior dating since we both put our toes into the senior dating pond. 

Jim and I have both had some contact with widows and divorcees over the last three months. At our breakfast meeting this past Wednesday.

Jim said, “The first five minutes of contact of a first date tells you the most important items right away. Looks, attractiveness, chemistry, sex appeal, personality, humor, and financial well-being.

“But you may find the person having all the right features only to find out that she doesn’t have the same feelings for you. So I find that I have to have a thick skin in this senior dating. I need to realize that there will be many rejections on their part as well as on my part until that right combination comes along, if ever.

“But rushing into a relationship without doing your homework and some really serious dating and research and conversations and asking the important questions you’re better off by yourself for a while so you don’t make some serious mistakes. (I haven’t dated for 48 years).
 
“Lists are important so we don’t waste precious time. We are at the last chapter in our lives and these decisions can be even more important than ever.”

Here’s what Jim and I generally agreed upon at this week’s breakfast.

Two widowers build a list 

Know yourself first. Make your own written list based on the personality traits a new partner must have. Keep your list simple and short, limited to five or six must-have items. We don’t like long lists because the longer your list, the more potential mates you eliminate from consideration. And, at age 70+, it’s already hard enough to find someone compatible.

Here’s our simplified list of six must-have items. 

Tom and Jim’s List of Six Must-Have Characteristics in a Mate 

1 A person of impeccable character. Meaning, someone who listens to what you say and is willing to compromise and be flexible. A person who is friendly, respectful, honest, pleasant, kind, has a nice smile and doesn’t criticize or put others down. Observe how the person speaks about his mother and father, children, and even an ex-spouse. How does he or she treat a waitress? Then visualize how the person will treat you. 

2 There must be a mutual connection. You must like each other. Friends first. You must want to be together and plan a second or even a third date. A sense of humor is important. Also, each having a love of animals is a tie that binds. Jim owns a dog and three horses. (That is Jim pictured above). 

3 Personal hygiene. Does he or she take good care of themselves? Is the person healthy and fit? Do they dress nicely (Goochi not required), wearing clean clothes. If you are a health nut, and he is a couch potato, it isn’t going to work. We’ve observed that senior women strive to take care of their health and fitness more than men. Not always, but usually. 

4 Affectionate/romantic—If you relish being hugged, kissed, and having your hand held, your potential mate needs to want the same things and be romantic towards you. If there’s not that two-way chemistry/physical connection, there likely won’t be a relationship. It’s either there right off the bat, or not. Of course, you can always be “just friends,” and hopefully grow into the attraction, but neither Jim nor I are looking for that. 

5 Availability. The person must be available to spend time with you. I’m not saying 24/7. You may be retired, with lots of free time. However, if the person you meet is still working or whose calendar is always full, often at night, you might end up being alone more than you want. And what about weekends? Does he or she spend time babysitting the grandkids or going away with friends? If there’s little time to be in a relationship, a relationship probably won’t work. What often happens is single seniors purposely keep busy. Social interaction is important and healthy.

Jim and I have observed that particularly with women. However, to be available for a relationship, a person might need to tweak his or her social calendar. You wouldn’t want to miss a great relationship by being unavailable. This is one of the biggest issues in a senior relationship. It’s important to say that being together too much isn’t healthy either. No one wants to be smothered. And for us, no more marriage. Find a nice middle road with your partner and work it out. 

6 Within a reasonable age difference. What’s an okay age difference? It could be five or ten years or even more. What’s important is you like and love each other, regardless of the age difference.   Some people seem old at 50, others seem young at 80. It’s best to discuss the age difference with your potential partner right away, so it doesn’t cause a problem later.

Remember, a younger person can get sick also. Many older people assume that they will be the first to pass away. And then his or her younger mate passes first. It happened to these two gentlemen. These are our top six must-have characteristics.

Other items such as kids, religious and political differences, travel, and finances also need to be discussed. That’s where compromise comes in. Good luck meeting a new mate and working out the kinks.

6 Senior singles make a characteristics-wanted list

What they tolerate and not tolerate in a new mate

On Life and Love after 50 eNewsletter

 June 16, 2023

By Columnist Tom Blake

Six Champs share their lists

In last week’s eNewsletter, Champ Dave Southworth said he’d enjoy seeing the list of characteristics, ranked in importance, that Champs are looking for in a potential mate. I selected emails from five women and one man to include. I have edited their lists for clarity and grammar. Plus, one woman discusses the one characteristic a potential mate has to have

Kaitte’s list, 70, Colorado

1. There must be at least a spark/attraction to even make it to the next date. I give men a chance to see how they’ll treat me. I’ve got to be able to wake up to that face every morning if it works out.

2. I don’t want a couch potato, a TV sports nut or someone who whines about his health and won’t take care of himself. I’m extremely busy with my little homestead right now growing my own food. But I always have time for lunch/dinner, dancing, or just taking a ride or walk.

The last guy never met me for coffee. He thought we could have some fun without even trying. And I do go Dutch. My Daddy said you’re better than a man trying to take you out for a piece of meat.

3. Finances. I’m not rich, I’m retired on about $10,000 a year on SSI. Yeah, I’m below the poverty level. but I’m thriving. I still assist others for a little funny money to spend how I want. You don’t have to be rich to afford me.

I will share finances as I can afford it to be with you if I care. There are lots of free things we can do with a little gas and time to get there, talking about Pueblo CO., or even more local than that.

4. Age. I’ve been told I need to be open for a younger man because I’m healthy and a young 70, but not a man who is too young. I know of two couples, 17 years apart with the women being older, who have been together many years. I was just complimented by two women at Walmart, and you know women are honest to each other, so I have to say I’m nice-looking. I don’t look 70.

5. While not a requirement, it would be nice to have a man who could work with me on my little farm. I’d even teach him. I wouldn’t want him to sit around and watch me work.

Karen’s list

1. Mutual physical attraction: so friendship and romance are both possible.

2. Similar sense of humor with a lot of shared laughter.

3. Friendly to everyone: showing kindness, politeness, and respect.

4. Shares some interests but has other interests of his own.

5. Have similar levels of fitness: likes to be active and outdoors.

6. Comparable levels of education with good grammar (able to

spell and punctuate correctly).

7. Prioritizes relationships with family and friends.

8. Has personal goals or dreams of his own.

9. A sense of adventure and desire to explore new activities, travel, and begin a new chapter in our lives together.

10. Shared faith/ religious preferences.

Gail’s list

1.   Healthy, fit

2.   Attractive

3.   Fun

4.   Willing to Travel

5.   Honest, and into me only

6.   Financially good. (not living on just SS)

7.   Has a good relationship with any children or former partners

8.   Has similar political views

9.   Intelligent

Laurie’s list

1.   Sense of humor. Clever thinking.

2.   Health and good hygiene

3.   Self-sufficient. Wait. That should have been first on the list

4.   No weird hangers-on. No kids at age 35 living at home, etc.

Carolyn’s List

1 Personality 

2 Ability to Walk Well (don’t laugh)

3. Laughs Easily   

4. Common Sense

5. Compassion/Kindness  

6. Free Spirited 

7. Not jealous 

8. Family Oriented 

9. Sincere/truthful

10. I don’t care what someone looks like as long as he is super nice, sweet, and has a fully functioning brain!

“Tom, that podcast really was a most beautiful, outstanding, and seriously awesome interview on Christine’s and Jaida’s 50 Shades of Bullshit Podcast!! Loved seeing and hearing you!! YOU ROCK!”

Bruce’s List

(Except for the first eight the rest could be put in any order. They are all important, but you must be somewhat flexible and willing to give on some. One will never get them all but that would be great.)

1 Attractiveness which includes A. Their physical appearance looks-wise B. Also includes their age—62-74 C. Their height-preferably 5’5-6’0 D. And their weight—nothing over 190 but this depends a lot on their height.

2 Absolutely no Trumpers—they can be Republican and even conservative but if they follow Trump that is a no starter right off the bat. I am progressive and a Liberal and do not mind a good discourse about politics, but I find Trumpers intolerable.

3  No addictions to alcohol or drugs—I do not mind someone who socially drinks or smokes marijuana (within reason).

4 Non- smoker although I am maybe open to some casual smoking.

5 Mentally stable/not insecure or argumentative/good sense of humor important.

6 Still enjoys physical intimacy/massage etc.

7 Outgoing and sociable/enjoys entertaining and the company of others/allows me my friends—male and female/not the jealous type

8 Enjoys traveling/cruising/fine dining or dive bars/and has the capacity to travel at will.

9 Brings only minor baggage to the relationship—we all have some.

10 Able to relocate to either Ohio or lol-Michigan.

11 Adventuresome and young at heart.

12 Well-read and conversant.

13 Enjoys what I like and vice versa for me—sports/classic cars/OSU! One that would have fun/antiquing/working at my coin store

14 Enjoys young people like my grandchildren.

15 Has no kids at home but having children is fine.

16 Is available for holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving which are very important to me as I am now the patriarch of my family and host events at my home on these days.

17 Enjoys spending significant time at my cottage in Northern Michigan.

Claire’s comment

Claire didn’t provide a list, but she suggested the most important item: “A counselor told me years ago,

‘The most important thing to look for in a relationship is ‘character,’ the way a person treats his mother, his children, the waitress, his or her finances, his/her ex-girlfriend/boyfriend, his/her ex-husband/ wife…observing these things will tell you how he/she will treat you. 

“The counselor’s bottom line was when dating LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN when men/women are telling you about themselves and how they treat the people in their lives.”

Senior dating chemistry and physical attraction

On Life and Love after 50 eNewsletter

 June 9, 2023

By Columnist Tom Blake

Is Senior Dating Chemistry The Most Important Relationship Need?

Today’s eNewsletter includes a variety of topics. For sure, senior dating and relationships are not dull or boring.

We begin today’s eNewsletter with an email from Champ Dave Southworth. Dave has the longest tenure of any Champ. He’s been with me for more than 20 years.

In 2002, he wrote a poem that remains on my website called “The Sands of Time.” It’s about him losing his beloved Franny and is touching to read. The link to Dave’s poem is listed at the end of today’s eNewsletter. Dave lives in Michigan.

This week, Dave emailed, “Reading the Friday, June 2, 2023, eNewsletter, the subject, tolerable age difference between lovers seemed to be perceived by some as folly. Nonsense.

“Age is important however age is 7th on my list of important characteristics in a potential mate. My wife Franny was 11 years younger than I was. Franny and I were such a perfect partnership. She is a part of who and what I am and will ever be!  

“Tom, you, and I have been friends for 20+ years. I hope life continues to be all you desire it to be!

“Could you ask the Champs for their list of partner/lover attributes in priority order? I would be very interested in their responses.”

Tom’s comment to Dave: “Regarding asking Champs their priority order in seeking a mate, we get a few answers in today’s eNewsletter. Plus, we’ll ask again near the end of the article.

Joyce, “I believe being close in age is important because we have more in common with our own generation. A generation however has a sizable age span.

“Whatever the age of a man, I would still be comfortable with and enjoy his good health and sense of humor. 

“Social economic equality is not as important as long as one member of a couple doesn’t take advantage of the other member and the difference isn’t a whole lot. 

“I believe chemistry and common interests and friendship win over everything else. You can be in love, but if you’re not friends and playmates, that love can disappear.”

Bob, “Your column is very thought-provoking and I really enjoy it. While I am an extremely happily married man, your own experiences have made me think about ‘What if?”

“If something happened to my wife Brenda, I think it would be years, if ever, that I would yearn for another partner. That doesn’t mean I would be sitting at home as I am lucky to have many friends. I would not have a goal of meeting another partner.

“If single again, if I were to meet someone, it would be to have a friend who had like interests. In my lifetime, physical attraction certainly plays a part, However, I have always thought that someone who has the same interests and a style that is attractive can make a person more physically attractive to me. The bottom line, physical attraction is not the number one factor for me.

“Most of your personal emphasis seems to be on immediate physical attraction. Then your evaluation seems to move to checking the boxes to your preferences. Are you targeting your search with physical attraction at the top of your list? 

“You are articulate; I enjoy your Friday newsletters. Stay well and healthy!”

Response to Bob: “For me, if physical attraction (the electricity between a man and a woman) isn’t present when first meeting, I don’t think it will grow. I could be wrong. Some people do feel it will grow in due time if other positive characteristics are present.

“Does having that immediate attraction mean hopping in the sack the first few nights together? Absolutely not! It’s just nice to know it’s present and it enhances the anticipation of seeing the person on date number two and beyond.

“Does having physical attraction mean turning my back on qualities that are deal breakers on my list? For example, strong political beliefs on the other side of the fence. Living far, far away? Is mean to animals? Is inconsiderate to minorities or older people. Or someone who abuses alcohol or drugs? Or who is financially irresponsible? HECK NO

“Years and years ago (the mid-1990s), after divorce number three, I had a date with a beautiful woman. Attraction? For sure. But she was so obnoxious to people and selfish, etc., I bailed out. I wrote a column titled, “But she was beautiful.” The gist of the column: Just because someone is beautiful, don’t let the wrong brain do your thinking for you.”

Goosebumps and Appreciation

Tom Marshall and I are both columnists for the San Clemente Times. His wife Dominque and Greta were great friends. A few days ago, he sent me an email with this subject line: “Guess what we (Tom and Dominique) saw at the Johnny Cash Museum in Nashville a couple of weeks ago?” The email included the banner photograph (above) that Tom and Dominique had taken.

My response: “Your email gave me goosebumps. That’s the Destination Victoria Station album I ‘co-produced’ with Johnny. Co-produced meant that I was in the House of Cash recording studio in Hendersonville, Tenn. and my job was to approve each song that would be included on the album.

I was seated in the seats out front in the studio and Johnny was in the mixing room behind the glass. His producer would play a song. When each song finished, Johnny would say over the speaker, ‘How about that one, Tom?’

My response was pretty much, “For sure, John, great song.”

“That day, when I rejected two songs that he proposed, he said to me via the speaker behind the glass, ‘Son, you’re being hard on me today!’ Then, he laughed.

“My initials are on the album spine (small but legible). I still have two albums at home. One is autographed by Johnny and the other album is still inside the sealed cover and has never been opened. They are treasures I am holding on to.’

Fifty Shades of Bullshit

When an email arrived in my inbox from Fifty Shades of Bullshit, I was skeptical. Well, it was from a woman Named Christine Lalonde, who hosts a Podcast under that name. She asked if I’d be on her podcast.

A week later, last Thursday, I was interviewed for about 40 minutes on the show, discussing senior dating. I thought it turned out well. If you’d like to see it, the link is below. Be sure you click on the video so that you see it and hear it.

Let me say this, Christine talks for about five and a half minutes before getting to me. So fast forward the YouTube video to about the 5-minute mark when first signing on. Here’s the link:

https://www.facebook.com/events/967283841114910/?ref=newsfeed

Small World

Last week, I was walking in the frozen food section of Costco in Dana Point. A woman who walked alongside of me looked at me and I looked at her. We recognized each other. She’s a Champ. Her name is Jackie Hammond and she lives in Georgia.

Jackie and I met at my deli about six years ago when I was hosting one of those age 50+ singles events. She occasionally checks in by email. This time, she was in Dana Point visiting her sister. Small world. She took a picture of us (see below).

So that’s it for this week, Champs. I’ll admit this newsletter was a bit all over the place. I hope you enjoyed it.

I like Dave Southworth’s suggestion for a future column that he mentioned at the top of today’s article.

Dave said, “Could you ask the Champs for their list of partner/lover attributes in priority order? I would be very interested in their responses.”

Please send me your top 10 attributes you seek or sought in a partner in the order of importance.

Here is the link to Dave Southworth’s poem, “The Sands of Time.”

https://www.findingloveafter50.com/widower-poem-by-david-southworth

Senior Dating: The Age Difference

On Life and Love After 50 eNewsletter – June 2, 2023

By Tom Blake – Columnist

In last week’s eNewsletter, my buddy Jim and I listed six boundary topics for senior dating. Responses to five of them were mellow. However, one topic was hotter than the 4th of July: The age difference between men and women. Here’s what a few Champs said:

Nikol, “To me the best situation is when the man and woman are close in age.
For our age group (60s to 80s), it is important because we feel the effects of aging on our appearance and in our thinking more so compared to our younger days.

“Why should only men want to have younger partners? These days, women want younger men as well. Also, it’s very important how people look and feel. I know a few couples with an age difference of 10 years and more where the women are older, and they have perfect marriages. Of course, they met earlier in life.

“To me, it’s important how people behave, not in an old person manner, but how they dress, exude confidence, and work on being in good physical shape and lead an active life.

“Thanks for giving us interesting and important topics.”

Catherine, “I found your article very informative and agreed–or at least I can understand your position on all points except #3 Age Difference.

“You and Jim said you’d consider women even up to: ‘15 YEARS YOUNGER? PERHAPS?’ Are you serious? I think even 10 years is TOO MUCH at your respective ages (74 and 83).

My ex-husband was 6 years, 7 months older than me when we met in our 20s, it was not an issue. However, as we both matured, he did not age well.

“I was STUNNED to read that you think you are entitled to attract women 15 years younger! Society is sick to have the sentiment that it is perfectly fine for a MUCH older man to have a MUCH younger woman; while if the situation is reversed, the woman is called horrible names like “Cougar” or worse.

“But everyone is entitled to their OWN opinion and thanks for letting me share mine.”

Tom’s response: Women who date younger men may be referred to as Cougars in some circles. However, I don’t think I’ve ever referred to women as that. And never will.

I met a woman in her late 60s recently who called older guys who sought to date younger women Horn Dogs. And when she was really stirred up after an adult beverage or two she called them Man Whores. I’m not sure in what category she placed me. She admitted that her husband was 25 years older and left her millions when he passed. She referred to him as the nicest man in the world. So, whatever floats your boat.

Gloria said, “I don’t want someone 10 years older or younger. If possible, someone around my age with a five or six-year age difference, either way.”

Barabara, “Age is only a number, an important number. Although age doesn’t tell what is happening inside the body, it’s not a good idea to eliminate anyone because of age. Seventy-year-olds often look at 80-year-olds as future patients to care for, not how far they can go Stand Up Paddle Boarding SUP.

Francine, “I am a very active 76. I never think of my age because I date men as much as 16 years younger than me and never see any difference. I just have a difficult time dating someone my age or older.

“When I was younger, I loved dating men older but now it’s turned the other way. I have no difficulty attracting men of all ages. My concern is when the dating pool is limited and there is no chemistry physically or intellectually (both are very sexy to me). I can’t have one without the other.”

Cheryl, “Regarding the age difference issue. What was wrong with the woman you met who was 76 herself and she thought your age preference of 71-79 meant you were looking for a younger woman? Lucky for you that she left, and she sure was rude in how she left! 

“In my work as a physical therapist assistant doing home health therapy, I encountered people who were ‘old’ physically and mentally in their 50s and people who were ‘young’ in their 70s and 80s. 

“I think it’s important to have some concept of an age range that would be desirable, but at our age, physical age can be extremely impacted by health issues as well as emotional issues due to past life experiences. 

“Also, regarding the health issue, a person can be in good or relatively good health when you meet and become very impacted by health problems/illness after you make a commitment to each other. At our age, physical prowess isn’t guaranteed for decades!” 

John, “Quoting from last week’s eNewsletter what the woman told you after she asked you about the age range you were seeking: ‘You senior men are all the same, wanting younger women.” Yes, that is reality. The reality is that men of all ages are attracted to younger women and women to older men. It’s hard-wired in our brains.

“Opposing reality gives people fodder for griping, complaining, and getting angry, but in the end, reality always wins.”

Noelle, “Tip from a wise old soul. Limiting your search to younger women got my attention. I have always dated younger men because they are the ones who are attracted to me. My last relationship had an age gap of him being 10 years younger.

“I am now in a long-term relationship with a man who pursued me who is 74. I am 87. We have a very special, and loving relationship that we both cherish and plan for it to last the rest of our lives. Chronical age is meaningless.”

Tom’s comment: Noelle, neither Jim nor I limit our search to only much younger women. But, we’re cheering for you and your attitude. Keep ‘em Flying. You may become the eNewsletter poster Champ!

Dee said, “Why do you think you need to look for someone between ages 70 and 79? How would you feel if a woman the same age as you said the same thing to you? Any age difference is so much easier in the earlier decades of life, but in the final years of life, it’s not so easy.

“Please remember how sensitive it is for women who have been left by their long-time mates for somebody younger. Do you really think the younger women do it for the simple reason of attraction? That might be so when the men are in their 40s, 50s, or early 60s and still in their prime. But, after that, it’s probably less about attraction and more about security.

“After listening to the story, you shared with me about the 60-year-old woman who posted attractive pictures on her profile, who saw your profile online on the day you initially posted it and couldn’t wait to meet you. She told you that if she moved into your home with you, she’d probably end up taking care of you (23-year age difference) and if you passed, she wouldn’t want to be tossed to the street. Hence, before moving in, she insisted she’d need legal documents drawn and your estate plan to state the house would go to her.

“She didn’t think you were an actual hottie, at least not that hot, she wanted your home to go to her. Please, Tom, alert older people, men, and women, that when someone younger says they love your profile, it’s probably the money or assets they want.

“I’m aware of an older man that happened to. He met a younger woman online who told him something like what the woman told you. He went ahead and made the deal with her, but the result was tragic.

“She didn’t wait for him to die, nor did she give him any caretaking. She quickly managed to take his house and his cars and forced him to move from the home that he had owned for many years. He ended up having to move in with his son.

“Final comment. Why don’t you consider the same age or as little as five years within your age? Are you willing to consider a woman who is two years older than you? And, if not, why not?”

Tom’s response: I’m open to any age difference if there is compatibility and an attraction. (I didn’t ask Dee how old she is).

Part 2 – A point of clarification about the distance to search for a mate in senior dating

Gail, emailed, “I found your article in last week’s issue most interesting. I had to wait a couple of days to send you my thoughts because at first, I was angry.

“After a day or two, I realized that I was jealous. What made me angry? The comment, “20 minutes away.”  At first, I felt that you and Jim are spoiled man-children, but I know better and put the blame on me where it belongs.

“As older gentlemen, you both have the upper hand when it comes to dating. You can afford to want someone no more than 20 minutes away. Not only do you live in a dense population area, but you are also unique in your age and fitness for a male. Now, I can say, “Lucky you!” with a smile.

“I would, however, challenge you to think about a woman who is more than twenty minutes away. Maybe one who lives in an area that is ripe with fabulous things to do and experience. A relationship with someone like this could be full of travel and fun. It does not need to be a 24\7 deal, maybe a week or two here or there, then a week or two off. Just a thought. 

Tom’s response to Gail’s comments: I know Gail. She is delightful. Greta and I met her and her granddaughter for breakfast a few years ago. They live in a beautiful small city in the Sierra Mountains. Senior single men are not abundant there so Gail must search for available men up to two hours and more away. That’s why she became frustrated.

Gail’s situation applies to both men and women who live in remote, sparsely populated areas. For those people, Internet dating almost becomes a necessity to improve their chances of meeting a potential mate.

In last week’s eNewsletter, I should have mentioned that. I will mention distance to search for a mate going forward in future eNewsletters and articles.